From his role as mayor of Charlotte, N.C., to his stint as transportation secretary under President Barack Obama from 2013 to 2017, Anthony Foxx has long advocated for accessibility across U.S. transit systems, innovation in mobility and equity in transportation policy.
Foxx, 50, is now chief policy officer at Lyft. He spoke with Reporters Pete Bigelow and Alexa St. John on the May 10 episode of "Shift: A Podcast About Mobility" about the current administration's infrastructure proposal, the transition to electric vehicles and transportation equity. Here are edited excerpts.
Q: President Joe Biden has introduced a $2 trillion plan to overhaul America's infrastructure. How does this compare with infrastructure plans of the past?
A: We've been underinvesting for a long time. I'm somebody who spent part of my life as transportation secretary traveling with Vice President Biden at the time, pushing for a long-term transportation bill. There was some new policy, not as much as I would have liked at the time, but what we could get done in the Congress, we had.
The ambitions of this president are really pushing the edges — bigger investment, more innovation in the investment, more attention to equity issues, more attention to research and development, and, frankly, a broader definition of infrastructure than we've traditionally had. I think it's both evolutionary and revolutionary. I don't think we've seen a president who had this kind of passion for infrastructure since Eisenhower.
The U.S. has received a C-minus grade from the American Society of Civil Engineers on infrastructure. Do you think that's on target?
A big part of the unacceptability of it is the degree to which we have not fully examined the future needs of our country. It's not simply a question of whether there are potholes in the roads or whether our freight rail systems are jammed up in certain parts of the country or whether our ports have good access. It's also a question of what kind of country do we want to be?
There is actually a fiscal driver to starting to look at actually taking down infrastructure that's no longer providing the economic advantage that we once thought it did, that's no longer providing a travel advantage that we once thought it did, and that may even have been part of what created some of the physical divisions in certain communities. But then there's the other piece of like what new investments, what new things are we going to need to be thinking about going forward?
To encourage electric vehicles, do we need to replicate the idea that we have a gas station on every corner or every mile on the highway?
There certainly will be and should be the old-school station type of layout. But even that may leave some communities out and there may be other mechanisms that can be developed that would be more varied. I think that's one of the opportunities that this administration has backing 500,000 charging stations across the country. The sheer buying power of the federal government to fuel — literally — innovation and how these charging stations are deployed and whether there are different models that need to be put out there, that is critical.
Can electric vehicles really make a dent in reaching climate goals?
Forty years ago, it would have been a much more difficult transition to make. We're entering a time where a lot of companies have large fleets that people utilize. If we can incentivize fleet owners to rapidly adopt electric vehicles, that in and of itself would make a huge and immediate difference in the conversion of the overall American fleet.
One aspect of Biden's proposal seeks to address racial inequalities in our transportation system.
The idea that we're now talking about correcting some of that and starting to reclaim some of that land [used by highways], maybe repurpose it, maybe create more open spaces, maybe affordable housing, whatever can be done, I think is really important at a time when we're trying to restore the fabric of our country and make it, perhaps, better than it's ever been by connecting people who come from different walks of life and maybe have different income levels but share the love of this country. We've got to figure out a way to live together, and part of that is fixing our physical spaces to match our national ethos.